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加藤 那时还没有想过创立新公司的事呢。 稻盛 我担心部下今后的出路。实际上,那时身兼董事的生产部部长青山政次为了试验烧制我设计的陶器部件的电气炉,去巴基斯坦了。他那边说要让我去做技术部长。青山先生也认为松风没救了,所以他向对方提出要求说:“如果和稻盛一起,我可以来”。他写信通知了我。我尽管觉得对不起周围的人,可是那边也好像人手不足,所以我说等我到了巴基斯坦争取把大家都叫过去。话是这么说,青山回来后知道了我要辞职,他说:“这还了得！”,后来他为我创建新公司到处奔波。(注:青山政次,出生于明治三十年,创建京瓷公司的策划者之一)
Kato had not thought about starting a new company yet. Inamori, I'm worried about the way forward for my followers. In fact, at that time, Minister of Production Aoyama, who is also a director, went to Pakistan to test the electric furnace that fired the pottery parts I designed. He said to me to be technical minister. Mr. Aoyama also said that the pine was not saved, so he asked each other and said: “If I join Inamori, I can come.” He wrote to me in writing. Although I feel sorry to the people around me, but there seems to be understaffed, so I said that when I arrived in Pakistan, I would try to call everyone over. If so, after Aoyama came back and knew I was going to resign, he said: “This is amazing!” Later, he was running around for my new company. (Note: Aoyama Goshinji, who was born in Meiji for 30 years and was one of the planners for Kyocera)