伊恩·布坎南(以下简称布):我们先谈一下你的“知识体系”是如何形成的吧。弗雷德里克·杰姆逊(以下简称杰):我的知识体系形成于20世纪50年代,而不是20世纪60年代(尽管我的知识体系建构是以欧洲为中心的,但当我说“我的”或“我们的”时候,当然指的是与欧洲相对的美国)。虽然我主要与法国和德国联系紧密,但我必须说明我很早就开始接触第三世界国家,尤其是20世纪50年代的墨西哥,还有从北非直到印度尼西亚这 Ian Buchanan (hereinafter referred to as cloth): Let us first talk about your “knowledge system ” is how to form it. Frederick Jameson: My system of knowledge was formed in the 1950s instead of the 1960s (although my knowledge structure was centered on Europe, when I say “My ” or “our ” of course, refers to the United States as opposed to Europe). Although I mainly have close ties with France and Germany, I must state that I have long been exposed to Third World countries, especially Mexico in the 1950s, and from North Africa to Indonesia